During this transitional period from what enterprise Java was to what building an enterprise-grade SOA—with or without Java—will be, the Java ecosystem players are exploring the possibilities and many are putting their eggs in more than one basket. Bruce Snyder, co-founder and developer for the Geronimo project and a senior architect at LogicBlaze Inc., an open source SOA provider, said "enterprise-grade" means different things to different organizations, but that building an SOA should not require a "forklift upgrade."